Intel is releasing a new generation of desktop CPUs. Most of them seem to have "UHD 630" iGPUs and they don't seem to support IS. (AMD's recent CPUs do.)
Some sources call them "Gen10 graphics". I'm not sure what that means.
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And so is the case with all scenarios where latency is critical. If the signal is already up-scaled then it contains more data and more data needs more time to be transmitted.
So basically a solution integrated into a monitor is always closer to perfection (if done well). But try convincing ALL the monitor devs to do this. It's nearly impossible.
What matters is: Now the idea is out there and everyone (who isn't afraid to tinker with the options of the display adapter) can see it. So now the people themselves will decide whether they want to pressure the monitor devs into implementing IS or not.
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I wonder whether the prices for display adapters will rise again, since people all over the world are forced to stay at home.
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It doesn't seem like they managed to extend support to GCN1. With my cheap GCN1 card from ebay the problem wasn't that the option wasn't shown. The problem was that the option didn't do anything.
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I was considering getting an OLED monitor next time due to their supposedly very low latency, but after so many years they are still damn expensive.
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I might be wrong, but I don't see any big problems with the lack of custom resolutions in context of retro gaming. Games that are designed to run below 640x480 usually need to run in DosBox anyway, which means that you can upscale them from the windowed mode.
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For those who are interested in getting both nvidia RTX and IS: Buying an RTX 2060 might be worth reconsidering. The prices for it dropped recently by a little bit.
Some are as cheap as 300$. Allthough I doubt that it has a decent RTX performace. The benchmarks might be worth looking at.
I guess I'll wait until the next generation instead.
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Regarding W7:
Release notes for AMD driver 20.1.4 section "Fixed Issues" says:
"Integer Scaling option is not showing up or available on some Windows®7 system configurations."
If IS is always compatible with W7 now, then I'm surprised that they didn't manage to make it W10-compatible without making the update to version 1903 mandatory. Maybe they just wanted to save some development effort though.
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This recently appeared on AMD's description of IS:
"Integer Scaling is compatible with Windows 10. Hardware compatibility includes Radeon R7 360 series, Radeon R7 260 series, Radeon HD 7790, Radeon HD 8770, Radeon R9 390 series, Radeon R9 290 series, Radeon R9 380 series, Radeon R9 285, Radeon RX 400 series, Radeon RX 500 series, Radeon RX Vega series, Radeon VII, Radeon RX 5000 series, Radeon Pro Duo, Radeon R9 Fury series and Radeon R9 Nano consumer dGPUs, Ryzen 2000 and newer APUs, including hybrid and detachable graphics configurations. GD-154"
I wonder whether they also count those new cheap "Athlon CPUs" for 50$ with integrated Vega GPUs. Does someone own one of those?
(I mean: Sure, I got that Radeon R7 260 for 25$ on ebay, but for making a NEW retro gaming PC an "Athlon" might actually be a better choice.)
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I wonder how many people are now failing to understand IS, because it doesn't do anything when they try to turn it on. :)))
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Not without the effort of installing Windows 7 again.
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I tried it with the newest driver first. It didn't work.
I downgraded the driver to the first version that supported IS. It didn't work.
Then I tinkered with the following options (even though they were set correctly in the beginning) and then it started working: "GPU Scaling", "Scaling Mode", "Integer Scaling"
I also remembered that somebody mentioned on AMD Discord that he had a similar problem and solved it in a similar way. According to him it was "Scaling Mode" that actually mattered.
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EDIT: Seems like something is messed up about the AMD's new GUI. IS started working after I turned some of the stuff related to "GPU scaling" off and on again.
Strange...
I just built the Radeon R7 260 into a different PC and now integer scaling is once again not doing anything. I have zero ideas what's going on.
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I confirm that all my basic tests of integer scaling with Radeon R7 260 over DisplayPort were successful.
Tested following resolutions with a 2560x1440 monitor: 640x480, 800x600, 1280x720 (The first two include Direct3D apps in full screen mode.)
Picture of the card I used: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41rHA4RkhuL._AC_.jpg
P.S.: The AMD's naming of cards is weird. Doublecheck and tripplecheck that a card has GCN2 or newer and that it is supported by the newest drivers before actually buying the card for IS.
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Seems like the seller made a mistake and it might take a while until the mistake is resolved. *cries*
Intel is releasing a new generation of desktop CPUs. Most of them seem to have "UHD 630" iGPUs and they don't seem to support IS. (AMD's recent CPUs do.) Some sources call them "Gen10 graphics". I'm not sure what that means.
And so is the case with all scenarios where latency is critical. If the signal is already up-scaled then it contains more data and more data needs more time to be transmitted. So basically a solution integrated into a monitor is always closer to perfection (if done well). But try convincing ALL the monitor devs to do this. It's nearly impossible. What matters is: Now the idea is out there and everyone (who isn't afraid to tinker with the options of the display adapter) can see it. So now the people themselves will decide whether they want to pressure the monitor devs into implementing IS or not.
I wonder whether the prices for display adapters will rise again, since people all over the world are forced to stay at home.
It doesn't seem like they managed to extend support to GCN1. With my cheap GCN1 card from ebay the problem wasn't that the option wasn't shown. The problem was that the option didn't do anything.
I was considering getting an OLED monitor next time due to their supposedly very low latency, but after so many years they are still damn expensive.
I might be wrong, but I don't see any big problems with the lack of custom resolutions in context of retro gaming. Games that are designed to run below 640x480 usually need to run in DosBox anyway, which means that you can upscale them from the windowed mode.
For those who are interested in getting both nvidia RTX and IS: Buying an RTX 2060 might be worth reconsidering. The prices for it dropped recently by a little bit. Some are as cheap as 300$. Allthough I doubt that it has a decent RTX performace. The benchmarks might be worth looking at. I guess I'll wait until the next generation instead.
Regarding W7: Release notes for AMD driver 20.1.4 section "Fixed Issues" says: "Integer Scaling option is not showing up or available on some Windows®7 system configurations." If IS is always compatible with W7 now, then I'm surprised that they didn't manage to make it W10-compatible without making the update to version 1903 mandatory. Maybe they just wanted to save some development effort though.
This recently appeared on AMD's description of IS: "Integer Scaling is compatible with Windows 10. Hardware compatibility includes Radeon R7 360 series, Radeon R7 260 series, Radeon HD 7790, Radeon HD 8770, Radeon R9 390 series, Radeon R9 290 series, Radeon R9 380 series, Radeon R9 285, Radeon RX 400 series, Radeon RX 500 series, Radeon RX Vega series, Radeon VII, Radeon RX 5000 series, Radeon Pro Duo, Radeon R9 Fury series and Radeon R9 Nano consumer dGPUs, Ryzen 2000 and newer APUs, including hybrid and detachable graphics configurations. GD-154" I wonder whether they also count those new cheap "Athlon CPUs" for 50$ with integrated Vega GPUs. Does someone own one of those? (I mean: Sure, I got that Radeon R7 260 for 25$ on ebay, but for making a NEW retro gaming PC an "Athlon" might actually be a better choice.)
I wonder how many people are now failing to understand IS, because it doesn't do anything when they try to turn it on. :)))
Not without the effort of installing Windows 7 again.
I tried it with the newest driver first. It didn't work. I downgraded the driver to the first version that supported IS. It didn't work. Then I tinkered with the following options (even though they were set correctly in the beginning) and then it started working: "GPU Scaling", "Scaling Mode", "Integer Scaling" I also remembered that somebody mentioned on AMD Discord that he had a similar problem and solved it in a similar way. According to him it was "Scaling Mode" that actually mattered.
EDIT: Seems like something is messed up about the AMD's new GUI. IS started working after I turned some of the stuff related to "GPU scaling" off and on again. Strange... I just built the Radeon R7 260 into a different PC and now integer scaling is once again not doing anything. I have zero ideas what's going on.
I confirm that all my basic tests of integer scaling with Radeon R7 260 over DisplayPort were successful. Tested following resolutions with a 2560x1440 monitor: 640x480, 800x600, 1280x720 (The first two include Direct3D apps in full screen mode.) Picture of the card I used: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41rHA4RkhuL._AC_.jpg P.S.: The AMD's naming of cards is weird. Doublecheck and tripplecheck that a card has GCN2 or newer and that it is supported by the newest drivers before actually buying the card for IS.
Seems like the seller made a mistake and it might take a while until the mistake is resolved. *cries*